Yes, Brown used the 2520 year calculation though it took him to 1917 instead of 1914. He was not the first to use the calculation.
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Q: When did russel/bible students came up with the 606-1914 calculations?
by Dold Agenda inq: when did russel/bible students came up with the 606-1914 calculations?.
for russel the invisible precense of jesus started 1874 right?.
but was'nt his year of autumn 1914 when the harma should start based on pyramydology alone?.
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Q: When did russel/bible students came up with the 606-1914 calculations?
by Dold Agenda inq: when did russel/bible students came up with the 606-1914 calculations?.
for russel the invisible precense of jesus started 1874 right?.
but was'nt his year of autumn 1914 when the harma should start based on pyramydology alone?.
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Old Goat
The book Nelson Barbour: The Millennium's Forgotten Prophet traces the 2520 year calculation to Joshua Spalding, an American clergyman who wrote about 1800. Russell got the 1914 date from Barbour who in turn extracted it from E. B. Elliott's Horae. Barbour did not hide his reliance on Elliott, but Russell seems never to have mentioned him.
The 606 calculation was rejected by a man named Baldwin who pointed to 607 BC, the date Russellites later accepted. Many of the historical puzzles like this one are answered in that book.
I cannot recommend this strongly enough. I'm a member of the authors' private history blog. Their work is outstanding. One of the two writers is a Witness; the other is Church of God (Abrahamic Faith). They write straight history. It's well documented and far different from the silliness that shows up here on occasion. Buy and read the book. I'm waiting anxiously for their next book. They've posted exerpts of it on their blog. The research is breathtaking.
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Happifying? Real WT quote, or are we joking -
by james_woods inmaybe i just missed it, (the story of the word) - but i am seeing this word "happifying" in a lot of threads.. can it possibly be that the wt actually printed this??
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The word happifying is strange to the ear, but it is a valid English word. It entered general usage about 1780 and was common through the 1920s. It is an uncommon usage today and well on its way to being considered archaic. It appears in a significant number of late 19th Century theological books. So at least someone back there in New York has been reading something other than their own cra.. umm stuff.
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They're Back
by Old Goat inwhen the watchtower history blog (truthhistory.blogspot.com) people stopped posting on the public site because of harassment issues, apparently from someone using the brooklyn bethel ip address i got access to the private site.
i noticed today that they have now opened it up to public view, saying that the harassment issue was resolved.. the new history blog is here: http://towerhistory.blogspot.com.
this is the best and most detailed material i've seen.
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When the watchtower history blog (truthhistory.blogspot.com) people stopped posting on the public site because of harassment issues, apparently from someone using the Brooklyn Bethel IP address I got access to the private site. I noticed today that they have now opened it up to public view, saying that the harassment issue was resolved.
The new history blog is here: http://towerhistory.blogspot.com
This is the best and most detailed material I've seen. It's produced by people who are Witnesses, but it's not the usual crap found ona pro-Witnesses, let's worship Russell site. This is good stuff
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JWN Researchers - Early financial records for WTS
by Lady Lee inhow would we get the early financial records of the wts?.
was the wts considered non-profit?
a religious order?
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Old Goat
I don't think you'll find much without serious research into county records. Those would be scattered everywhere. In the Russell era, financials were published in The Watch Tower. On the private blog for the TruthHistory people there's an analysis of Russellite finances, including the full text of the February 1881 "organizational document" with a scan of the signatures.
That's an invitation only site, but all I did was request access. They seem to grant access on request, giving everyone the benefit of the doubt. I don't know of any analysis of Rutherford era financials, which seem to be more complex. When I was a new Witness (back in the late 40's) the gossip was that the Cadillac cars were the gift of two women living in the South who had money from Coca Cola interest. I wasn't interested enough to find out. At the time, all I thought was, "My how nice of them."
My best guess is that while there is a lot of foolishness tied up in the houses and in the cars, there's little scandal there. Might be, but I doubt it. My impression of the 1916-1942 era is that it was a mean spirited Jerk (Rutherford) against the Flakes (van Amburg would be one) and the Crazies (PSL Johnson would qualify). Probably the real scandals are in their interactions.
The shift from congregationalism to "theocracy" is also troubling. I don't think anyone has really followed that in detail. I believe the real issues with Rutherford rest in his dictatorial grasp on gullible worshipers.
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University student's JW based honors thesis research. PLEASE HELP!
by honorsthesis inhttps://www.surveymonkey.com/s/defectedmembers_honorsthesis.
hello community,.
my name is brett w., and i am senior undergraduate student at the university of florida.
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Old Goat
An online survey is anything but valid. I wouldn't accept its use by one of my students, especially for inclusion on an "honors" thesis. The results will be skewed toward the view of dirty, filty, apostates (us) and away from current believers. If you were submitting this for my review, I'd be asking you all sorts of questions about validity and procedure. You'd probably be fairly unhappy within the first minute.
If I were writing this I'd follow this outline:
1. State my thesis: "Jehovah's Witnesses claim political neutrality, but they have distinctive political view. American Witnesses tend to be politically conservative and socially liberal. Their political beliefs manifest themselves outside the usual political channels, showing themselves in social ways rather than through political activisim.
2. Analysis of Russellite era political statements - An examination of Russell’s writing in three areas: 1. Christian’s relationship to the state; 2. Christian’s view of international conflicts; 3. Christian’s social responsibilities
3. Same for Rutherford era. Examine anti-Fascist and anti-Nazi statements and expressions of American Nativism found in Rutherford era writings. Rutherford’s view of European colonialism. Rutherford’s “neutrality” doctrine.
4. Knorr-Franz era. As above. Examination of anti-Communist, anti-Socialist and anti-Colonialist statements.
5. The Governing Body era. As above. Also refusal to identify “King of the North.” This is an era full of socio-political statements couched in Biblical terms.
6. Rank and file views are mixed. Members tend to continue to hold to the political views entertained before entering active group participation. Their new world-view subverts active political expression. That warnings are frequently given to the membership to be “neutral” shows that many are not.
7. Examples and incidents where political neutrality doctrine fails. (Africa and Taiwan provide interesting examples. You will find more by searching google news archives).
8. Balance with false accusations of political activism. Restate your thesis and summarize proof.
Have you discussed this with your professors? No professor in his right mind (many are not in their right minds.) would accept a web survey. I wouldn’t. Rethink this.
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The Governing Body wants JWs to really, really understand this one point
by cattails inif you had to guess what point of their teaching.
the governing body wants jws to really, really understand,.
24:45.. the comment highlights that because jesus "did not say that there would be a multitude of slaves scattered throughout the various sects of christendom.
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Old Goat
I'm old, right? Probably old enough to grandfather to many of you. The one thing about the faithful slave doctrine that always disturbed me was the idea that the "collective" determined the organization's course. This is a blatant falsehood. The "anointed" as a group do not choose members of the governing body. They do not submit articles to the Watchtower for publication. They do not meet to hash out doctrinal points. The Faithful Slave/Governing Body doctrine is a contrivance, a lie. If the faithful slave is a collective (most reputable commentators give it another meaning), then the Governing Body is a rebel organization, ignoring those to whom they are responsible. That would make them Apostate! Imagine.
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Anyone Know JW's who Donated Inheritances, Estates,$$$ to WT Society ?
by flipper inif so - without divulging any names , approximately how much was donated to the wt society ?
if you are aware of approximate amounts.
as many know the wt society yearly puts out calls in their publications for witnesses to donate trust funds, wills, inheritances, estates, jewelry, cars and whatever else they have to promote the aleged " kingdom interests " in furthering the " good news " around the world.. personally i feel it's all been a scam to continue exercising control over witnesses by influencing them to financially deprive themselves so the wt society can continue it's operations.
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Old Goat
I have assets not part of the marrital estate. In my old will they all went to the Watchtower Society. In my current will they go to my youngest daughter with instructions on how best to dispose of them for cold hard cash. The Watchtower be damned. They are the source of endless anger and pain.
Only a fool would leave them anything. Most people have family. It should ALL go to your family. Nothing should go to the uncaring slugs who sit in the Watchtower executive offices. I hate them all.
How about that for blunt?
Oh, yes, I talked my mother out of leaving them a 150K annuity too.
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Looking for digital copies of witness books before 1970 for research.
by average joe ini am trying to find a copy of "let your name be sanctified" preferably in pdf or other.
i am trying to research old books that were made before the 1970's.
i would be grateful if people would be kind enough to share what they have for my research.
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Old Goat
those books show up on ebay all the time. they're very inexpensive. And they're not very exciting. does your research have a goal?
The last ediition of qualified to be ministers (1967) is just a ministry school guide. the first edition had a bit of history in the back. it's not very accurate.
your word is a lamp was a rather insipid organizational guide. baptismal (dismal) questions in the back.
things in which it is impossible to lie was a basic doctrines book. boring has heck, poorly written.
These are not hard to find books. ebay or abe.com or a thrift store
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Looking for digital copies of witness books before 1970 for research.
by average joe ini am trying to find a copy of "let your name be sanctified" preferably in pdf or other.
i am trying to research old books that were made before the 1970's.
i would be grateful if people would be kind enough to share what they have for my research.
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Old Goat
Can you give us more details? What are you looking for?
An excellent source for early Watchtower history is http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/ . That site is run by a Witness historian, but he seems to spare no one when it comes to exposing stupidity. He has a book out too. The book is about Nelson Barbour and his beliefs. Excellent book, I think.
There are severals Bible Student sites with older material on them too. There are CD's with Russell material. One of them is always listed on ebay.
If you tell us what you're looking for, we might be able to offer more specific help.